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even moderate alcohol may be bad in the long run or SHORT 1??

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/881246?nlid=115580_4503&src=wnl_dne_....  the pharmacist side of me.  You may not be able to go to the link.   They have looked into a long range study and it is beginning to look like even the moderate drinking may be recommended against by the health professionals.
an excerpt from it:  After adjusting for possible confounding factors, such as age, sex, education, social class, physical and social activity, smoking, stroke risk, and medical history, the researchers found that the people who drank more than the 30 years had higher odds of hippocampal atrophy — shrinkage in the part of the brain that is important for memory and commonly found in Alzheimer's disease — compared with those who did not drink.   Guidelines from the American Heart Association advise one drink per day for women and one to two drinks per day for men. (A drink is defined as 12 ounces of beer, 4 ounces of wine, 1.5 ounces of 80-proof spirits, or 1 ounce of 100-proof spirits.)   Dr Topiwala and her group randomly selected 550 people from this study for the current Whitehall II imaging substudy to determine whether self-reported alcohol consumption over a 30-year period was associated with brain imaging and memory decline.
The mean age of the study participants was 43 years at baseline (standard deviation, 5.4 years), none were alcohol dependent, and all were safe to undergo multimodal MRI of the brain at follow-up.  
- essentially the more one drinks over time, the higher chance the brain loses cells putting one at higher risks for developing dementias as they age.

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I think I remember that but I cant remember

So now just as I thought it was safe to have a drink at night, they are so no. I'm already forgetting things and not even close to retiring yet.

Randy ... Australian researchers are putting out the same good news here in Aus. My mother had a simple peasant upbringing in rural Crete ... no alcohol, simple Mediterranean diet ... all of which continued after she migrated to Australia at age 27. I cannot recall her ever drinking alcohol. She died aged 89 ... her mind having been obliterated by severe vascular dementia. I am therefore genetically predisposed to go the same way. I decided some years ago that I wasn't going to let that impact on my lifestyle and did not give up alcohol ... notwithstanding the risks. An icy cold beer on a hot summers day and a glass of glorious full body red wine with an evening meal are two of my life's pleasures. Problem is I can't remember how they tasted after I've finished drinking them !!!!!!!!

Yes, one can totally abstain and still end up with dementia. My grandfather was like that, he did not drink much, a very occasional beer on celebrations. He last years he did not recognize his own son or I. Brain science is still very much in its infancy compared to what we know about the rest of the body.

Vardy; I have the same problem. Randy the studies may or may not be right. In my family the only ones that had alzheimer's or dementia never drank or smoked. The one that did drink lived a long and drunken life. That is why I drink. For me the studies are wrong. My grand pa drank and smoked and never was sick a day in his life. He died at 89 in his sleep. Basic all the family relatives that did not drink and smoke at some point in their lives died of some kind of dementia and those that did lived a long and sain life.. we have gone back 5 and 6 generations. For me I am going to continue to drink and eat what I like. I really don't care what any study says. I remember when eggs were going to kill you if you eat them. That was a medical study about 25-30 years ago. They don't have a clue I don't think. I have several stories about my family that include BOOZE and all the stuff that will kill you. Most lived into their late 80's and 100's Most were drunken bastards.

Wayne ... the latest "advice" on eggs is that they ARE good for you. Glad I never stopped eating them !!!

I don't drink much but I know I smoke way too much... I also don't eat much eggs, let me say a few a week at most... I know my grandparents from mothers side both died in their 90s, not drinking much but my grandfather smoked like a old train!!! From fathers side my grandparents didn't live that long, died in their early 70s. My father died two years ago, age 72, after he had 7 hartattacts, the first one age 46. He was a alcoholic with a very bad drink and smoked at least two packages of cigs a day. I know, it's not good and healthy to smoke, surely not as much as I do.... but.... for some reason I can't or just don't want to stop... I'm nearly 50 now, I want to break the family record what means I have at least 43 more years to go!!!

Who knows Gert, look at George Burns and one of his quotes (Happiness is having a large, loving, caring, close-knit family in another city. You can't help getting older, but you don't have to get old. Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle.) ? is how much of the smoke did he truly inhale from the cigars.

Cigars and his old fashioned pipe... both my grandfathers smoked pipe... I don't think they truly inhaled, surely not the way I do with my sigarettes...

I feel personally, that the usage of drugs and alcohol are bad for you. However, there are other factors which come into play. As drugs are used to treat a problem of health and mental health, the need to sacrifice health concerns for the needs of happiness or well being. We need to weigh the effects of chronic use to those of periodic use to ward off overwhelming sadness, or depression, or just boredom. A long life with no happiness is not the answer. Alcohol make me happy for a bit, and as long as I do not overdue it, it has giving me some pleasure. If they could make life fun, there would be no need for tobacco, strong drink, pot, or cat nip.

I'll drink to that.

Fuck I'm drinking more than ever and having a session as I type, but I don't think I have drinking problem and if I do I don't remember it by the morning.

I live for the moment and worry about tomorrow until its there as tomorrow never comes I have no worries...

One has to have at least one vice as if one is perfect then one is not of this earth and is trying to save others

I don't drunk often, but when I do I like to drink. Perhaps it because I am so uptight. I like feeling relaxed and well the blood pressure pills don't work like they used too. I just want to feel like every thing is great. I don't want Apaches to attack us and kill my wife and children and me. I want to be left alone...to ponder my existence. I want to plan for a better existence to better myself and my posterity. Why oh why wont you let me.

I'm with Spratty I have a drink or two every night. A nice cold Bourbon and I'm ready to relax for the day. When I make one for me I have to make one for the wife. This has been working for 40+years now.

Hummmm. Well I smoke like a little chimney. I know the consequences and accept them, we all gotta die of something some time. But when it comes to drinking I'm the one that people who dont even know me wait till I get there to be the designated driver.... LOL

Now I wonder who that would be Valerie. LOL

What Happens in Dubois stays in Dubois LOL

It's all Wayne's, Noof's, and Phil's fault from a number of years ago otherwise I would have be the designated driver. LOL

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